tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post115005790087446319..comments2023-10-11T06:20:11.391-04:00Comments on Key West Chronicle - Key West Blog: Truman Annex Residents Alienating Themselves from Key WestUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1158071226973160672006-09-12T10:27:00.000-04:002006-09-12T10:27:00.000-04:00Following the rationale offered on this blog, I gu...Following the rationale offered on this blog, I guess the city can take back the properties at the corner of Southard and Thomas where Pena's House of Rose's used to be, too. After all, the Navy has only had it since World War II.<BR/><BR/>I agree that TAMPOA's letter was harsh. If I had a say in this, I would suggest that several streets remain open to take people in and out of the new park. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1152829515061545162006-07-13T18:25:00.000-04:002006-07-13T18:25:00.000-04:00The letter from the Truman Annex was a little hars...The letter from the Truman Annex was a little harsh in my opinion, but it sure looks like the city is jerking them around. All the Truman Annex folks wanted -- from what I can piece together out of the Citizen -- was that traffic in and out of the Navy property be shared. At one point Bahama Village was begging to have the entrance go through that neighborhood, but then changed their mind and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151341198914209902006-06-26T12:59:00.000-04:002006-06-26T12:59:00.000-04:00I had to delete a comment because it listed someon...I had to delete a comment because it listed someone's phone number. Please, do not list phone numbers.Cayo Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987361594608889802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151188921585242942006-06-24T18:42:00.000-04:002006-06-24T18:42:00.000-04:00the map of 1884 has southard st stopping at emma. ...the map of 1884 has southard st stopping at emma. but this is not 1884 or 1895 or 1492. the navy owned this property for more that 5 decades and they sold it away. i agree that the city should have bought it had they felt that it was so important but the commissioners didn't. too bad.<BR/>with your logic why don't we (europeans, asian, etc.) give back all the land we took from the native people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151114613917035582006-06-23T22:03:00.000-04:002006-06-23T22:03:00.000-04:00This is a blog - a personal opinion and not the ju...This is a blog - a personal opinion and not the judicial system.<BR/>When I write that Southard Street used to be on open thoroughfare, I refer to the history of the island. As you admit, before the Navy, this was a regular old Key West street. Check the map of 1895. <BR/>One thing that I think anonymous is overlooking: you are in South Florida. Don't count on anything to bail you out. Cayo Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987361594608889802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151111187836254552006-06-23T21:06:00.000-04:002006-06-23T21:06:00.000-04:00again you base most of what you say on your own bi...again you base most of what you say on your own bias without much in concrete substantiation. but i do agree with you to let the city try to take all the gates. an ungated commmunity is an ungated community be it one gate lost or four. the cost will be in the range of 35-40 million and that's based on published studies not just someone's gut feeling or vague rationalizations. <BR/>whether you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151104420757178592006-06-23T19:13:00.000-04:002006-06-23T19:13:00.000-04:00anonymous - actually, as far as I'm concerned, TAM...anonymous - actually, as far as I'm concerned, TAMPA never had a valid agreement with the City of Key West. It was all still being negotiated. Much of what the former commission did was objectionable by the majority (informal poll - you ever hear of the coconut telegraph? it's still alive and well, though apparently no longer wired into Truman Annex) of Key West and that is why they were Cayo Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987361594608889802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151101412431972662006-06-23T18:23:00.000-04:002006-06-23T18:23:00.000-04:00also just for acuracy your contention of 28000 vs ...also just for acuracy your contention of 28000 vs 500 is typical hyperbole non sense again. where is the referendum, where are your references? the election was not a referendum on the waterfront and in fact that issue was not major on anyone's agenda other than lopez'. all you speak from is the press and if you read the key west press it is far from objective and extremely bias for its own Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151098785509165592006-06-23T17:39:00.000-04:002006-06-23T17:39:00.000-04:00just for the record, the agreement was made in 200...just for the record, the agreement was made in 2000 and the dramatic change in the commission was made in 2005. that's 5 years later, not months. more accuracy rather than hyperbole is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151074985984678682006-06-23T11:03:00.000-04:002006-06-23T11:03:00.000-04:00by the definition of a gated community in the stud...by the definition of a gated community in the studies one is entirely gated or not gated. there is not partially gated community. and sure if you want to ungate all the gates have at it but the costs will be significant. these costs are the value of ungating this community and need to be paid under eminent domain rules.<BR/>laws are laws. the majority can not run roughshod over the minority. thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151071616372954862006-06-23T10:06:00.000-04:002006-06-23T10:06:00.000-04:00veggiegator - always a pleasure to see you drop by...veggiegator - always a pleasure to see you drop by. I agree with you completely that gated communities reinstate segregation. And what a dramatic example: Truman Annex (nearly all-white, wealthy, and most part-time to Key West) versus Bahama Village (nearly all-black, low inclome, and full time residents). <BR/>anonymous - using eminent domain may not cost as much as you are warning. Why? Cayo Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987361594608889802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151067561327661572006-06-23T08:59:00.000-04:002006-06-23T08:59:00.000-04:00in response to veggiegator. this question of why g...in response to veggiegator. this question of why gated communities exist is not the issue. they exist for many reasons and are legal. the fact is that a gated community enhanses the property value by 6-9% documented by at least two recent academic well done comparitive studies. in fact a home owners association enhanses the property value over a community without one too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151067157936375062006-06-23T08:52:00.000-04:002006-06-23T08:52:00.000-04:00all negotiations are made under some duress. right...all negotiations are made under some duress. right now the city in their negotiation is threatening eminent domain. this issue of duress is bogus. a contract signed by all parties needs to be followed. one can not function in a society where a contract is just discarded whenever one side feels as though they don't like it.<BR/>the other issue is that southard st. under the navy was not open and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1151030552067214742006-06-22T22:42:00.000-04:002006-06-22T22:42:00.000-04:00I'll share this with my professors who work with h...I'll share this with my professors who work with housing issues and see what they think. Maybe someone can make a thesis out of it! <BR/>I did a report on Gated Communities about a year ago and there is a psychological reason for them to bring up market value, but they really don't reduce crime. Especially not certain types of crime. I've rented a condo at Truman Annex and it doesnt take anyveggiegatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384527108874656309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1150990575459996292006-06-22T11:36:00.000-04:002006-06-22T11:36:00.000-04:00Veggiegator - Key West economics should be studied...Veggiegator - Key West economics should be studied formally by students interested in the dynamics (and peril) of restricted markets. Don't give up on your dream though. Plus, Key West could use talented urban planners.<BR/>Anonymous - here is the real deal with the Southard Street/TAMPOA dispute: the contract that you are waiving in the air was signed under duress (you threatening them with Cayo Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987361594608889802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1150982343221620422006-06-22T09:19:00.000-04:002006-06-22T09:19:00.000-04:00the issue of southard streeet is rather property r...the issue of southard streeet is rather property rights and the sanctity of contracts. this nonsense of the residents not wanting to be part of the island is "scat". the street is private property. if taken via eminent domain damages are based on market value of the property.<BR/>the value of the property is not just the street but the ungateing of a gated community. in several well done studies Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8903336.post-1150949905379113012006-06-22T00:18:00.000-04:002006-06-22T00:18:00.000-04:00Wow, sounds like KW is a case study for the rise a...Wow, sounds like KW is a case study for the rise and fall of real estate and how communities adapt (or dont!). <BR/>I keep saying I'm going to retire there and do some freelance urban planning consulting when I'm 65, but time will tell if I can afford it!veggiegatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384527108874656309noreply@blogger.com